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This page is devoted to advice for beginner brass pupils
and their parents. The advice and opinions are those of the author
(Philip Bishop). Sections are as follows:
Test each of the valves by moving it up and down rapidly. The valve should move very freely and "ping" back up. If a valve is sluggish or sticks down, ask the seller to oil the valve and check it again. If the valve still sticks, do not buy the instrument.
Third valve slide
The third valve (when you hold the instrument, that's the valve furthest from your nose) has a slide (piece of tubing) with a ring. This slide needs to be moved in and out very rapidly as the trumpet is played. Placing the ring finger or middle finger of your left hand in this ring and holding the third valve down, check the slide moves VERY freely. It should not take any effort to move it. If it doesn't, ask the seller to lubricate the slide. If it doesn't move easily, don't buy the instrument.
The trombone's slide should move over the full range without ANY resistance. Make sure the slide is first lubricated (the seller should do this for you). Then check the slide moves freely by moving the slide backwards and forwards over a small range (10cm or 4 inches), gradually moving the slide further and further out, until you reach the point where the inner slide becomes slightly thicker (this is called the stocks). If you move the slide past the stocks and are not careful it will come off and there is a risk the slide might be damaged.
If the slide has any areas of resistance and does not move freely, do not buy the instrument.
Check all the other slides move. All instruments will have a tuning slide. Valved instruments such as trumpets and cornets will have a movable slide for each valve. These slides will be stiffer than the third valve slide, but should still move without being forced. Again, if they don't move, don't buy the instrument.
Mouthpiece and case
Check if the instrument comes with a mouthpiece and (preferable) hard case. Check the condition of these. The mouthpiece plating should be in good condition (playing on raw brass can lead to infections) and the mouthpiece should be free from dents. Also check the size of the mouthpiece and make sure it is suitable (consult an expert if in doubt). New cases and mouthpieces can be bought at relatively modest costs, but bear in mind any possible purchases when considering the price of the instrument.
Some of the better starter instruments are made by Yamaha. The following are recommended:
Trumpets: Yamaha YTR-2330.
Cornets: Yamaha YCR-2330.
For those that have been playing for few years, the following are recommended:
Trumpets: Yamaha YTR-4335
Cornets: Yamaha YCR-4330G.
with smaller hands who finds they can't reach the fixed 3rd valve
finger ring can have an adjustable finger ring fitted by e.g.
Just like used cars, trumpets and cornets are often much better value second hand. By hunting around you may be able to find good clean used instruments more much less than the price of a new one, or alternatively, you can buy a much better instrument for your money!
In addition to the above instuments, recommended older model Yamaha trumpets include YTR-2335 and for absolute beginners the YTR-1335.
Below are some good used instruments for sale, for different levels of player. If you would like to try out or buy one of these instruments, please contact Philip Bishop on 01372 454962 / 07950 235329.
|Trumpets, Cornets and French Horns for Sale|
For Sale: Blessing Cornet
Those who have had lessons with me or with whom I have played will know I like to play rotary trumpets. Rotary trumpets are common in much of Europe, but in the UK are very rare, so they are scarce. If looking to buy, here are a few suggestions:
Mid-range rotary B-flat trumpets:
try the B&S 3005/3
trumpet. This is available from Thomann (with a 30
day money back guarantee and a 3 year warranty) and should also be
available from Phil Parkers (the UK distributor for B&S -
telephone to check stock).
For those that would like a rotary instrument that can be held like a normal piston trumpet, there are trumpet and flugel horns made by Schagerl, Schlub and Zirnbauer, amongst others. Here are a few pictures.
Schlub Flugel Horn
If buying new, one of the better starter trombones to
buy is the Yamaha YSL-354. This trombone is a great
instrument for the beginner through to around grade 5.
For intermediate pupils, the Yamaha YSL-446GE or YSL-448GE are
excellent instruments. Both of these come with an F plug (or
valve), so that the 6th and 7th position notes can be played in 1st and
2nd position respectively: this saves a lot of shifting and, for the
shorter armed pupils, means the low B will be playable for the first
Serious students should consider a Conn 88 or Bach 42, both of which come with the F valve (and also in versions without an F valve). These are large bore instruments which will develop a bigger, warmer more rounded sound. Suitable mouthpieces include Bach 4G and 3G - try before buying.
The normal rules when buying second hand apply! Also see the comments above.
Sharon McCallum is a trombone specialist. She usually carries quite a lot of stock and can often obtain used instruments to order. She is also one of the best trombone slide repairers in the business.
Also worth a try is Phil Parkers, 106a Crawford Street, London W1H 2HZ, 0207 486 8206. Ring before visiting to check what is available.
When buying, make sure all valves and slides operate freely (see comments above for trumpet and trombones).
Horns are available tuned in F and/or B-flat. B-flat horns are easier to play (particularly in the higher register) but can't produce the bottom notes. Most people spend 99% of the time playing B-flat, but if you have to play the lower horn parts in orchestras then you need the F.
Generally, pupils start on a single horn (usually single B-flat, preferably with stopping valve) and will later switch to a double horn.
Kindergarten French Horns: These are the smallest single horns, only suitable for the very young (primary school age). Look for a good second hand model, as new models will loose much of their value, and a larger horn will be needed as soon as the student can hold it.
Single B-flat French Horns: Often,
with an additional valve or two to change key (e.g. from B-flat to A,
low F extension). The A-valve is used for stopping (otherewise the
notes are out of tune), but can also be used to provide alternative
fingering for out-of-tune notes and the A-tube could be swapped with an
F-extension tube to help get some of the lower notes. The instruments
are lighter and more comfortable to play than double horns and some
musicians are happy to play a single horn all their life!
Horns: Only for those who have learned to play these horns
and are happy playing on an F horn! Vienna horns (which I
play) also fall into this category.
Double French Horns: These play in both F and B-flat and have a valve to switch between the two. They come is two forms: compensating horns and full double horns. Full double horns play better in tune but have more tubing and are heavier than the compensating horns. For more details, see the HornPlanet website. Double horns are usually introduced to pupils around grade 5 and are heavier and more expensive than single horns; they are, however, the standard horn that virtually everyone plays.
French horns are best bought from a french horn specialist. I recommend buying second hand as they are very expensive to buy new and will loose about half their value when sold. Expect to pay £400-£500 for a basic second-hand single horn, more for a double. Yamaha and Holton both make good intermediate instruments.
Contact the horn specialists to check what is available and what they recommend. Instruments are often bought by post (unseen), but check return conditions and guarantees before doing so.
Here are the names of a few french horn specialists:
Halstead Music, run by Tony Halstead, 07432 141410
Woodhead Horns, run by Luke Woodhead, 07970 971520
Paxmans, 020 7620 2077
Young (smaller) aspiring tuba players can start off with an E-flat compact tuba (on the right in the picture). These play the same deep notes as the larger tubas, although not with the same tone, but are much smaller and easier to hold and carry - about the same size as a baritone horn or euphonium.
Although most players start off and many continue with
an E-flat tuba (in the UK) there are other types. C tubas are
often played in orchestras. B-flat tubas are the largest, play the
deepest notes and have the advantage of the same fingering as the
euphonium and baritone horn.
Compact tubas are full size tubas are available at relatively modest prices from Wessex Tubas.
B-flat, E-flat and
compact tubas, from left to right
Practice mutes are designed to reduce the volume of sound to a minimum, whilst still keeping the playing feeling as close as possible to the un-muted feel (as open as possible). If you need to practice regularly with a practice mute, make sure you buy a good one; if you don't, you may find that your playing (particularly attacks, etc) may be worse after using one.
One of the best (and the practice mute I use) is the Trumcor Lyric Stealth available from the Trumcor online shop. These mutes are available for all brass instruments.
Note that the Dennis Wick black practice mute is NOT suitable for prolonged practice. It is designed to be played for short periods each day to build up strength, and should be incorporated with other un-muted practice.
All the other mutes are designed to change the 'tone colour'. Mutes are only generally needed when you start to play in bands and orchestras. I suggest that you only buy mutes as and when you need them, starting with the straight mute and the cup mute.
All mutes are relatively cheap, so its worth buying good ones, which will probably last a life time. Good mutes play in tune and have a good sound. Whilst there are many good (and bad) mutes around, here are the ones I use or recommend. They can be bought at the specialist brass shops or on the web. In particular, the left-hand column shows the standard mutes that most players use (with the except of practice mutes, for which there is no standard).
Plunger mutes: also try a sink plunger (from your local hardware shop) or a half coconut shell.
Music stands fall into two broad categories:
These fold up and are easy to carry to rehearsals and
concerts. They are less stable and can't usually support large books.
Every musician has one of these! They can be obtained from virtually any music shop. Many
colours are available, but black is preferred for performing with. Buy
the most robust one you can find. Practise putting it up and down
(there is a knack - don't force it otherwise the metal will bend).
This is my favourite portable music stand. In use it is
very stable and handles the large orchestral music much better than the
foling wire stands. It had a shelf for bows and pencils, etc. It will
support heavy books. The feet stay out of the way of my double bass
spike and it adjusts from high to low. Its also quick to put up and
down, and light to cary in its shoulder bag.
One of these lives in the boot of my car!
These are much sturdier and able to take large heavy books. Some do collapse to some extent and they are generally preferred to the collapsible type for playing from. When buying look for quality: the threads on the securing bolts can get stripped on some of the cheaper stands.
If you need a stand that needs to go up and down a lot, consider a Wenger Classic 50 music stand. Both my wife and I use the "Classic Stand 50" for home and teaching.
Most people use the Konig & Meyer (K&M) stands.
For trumpet, use the K&M 15213 trumpet stand. The 5-leg base provides maximum stability for the instrument. The detachable metal leg base screws into the peg so that the entire unit may be stored in the bell of the instrument for easy transport. The black plastic peg with felt pads to protect the instrument.
The equivalent trombone stands are the K&M 14990 and K&M 14985.
For trumpet, the main alternative is the Hamilton KB500 trumpet stand. The nickel plated compact KB500 folds to just 12 inches and is probably one of the highest quality stands around. The Hamilton is particularly good where you need to play standing up, or for home use, when you don't really want the trumpet bell at floor level.
For those with smart phones & tablets, there are lots of metronome apps. My favourite Android app is Metronome Beats.
Of the physical metronomes, my favourite is the Korg KDM-2. It has a good sound, adjustable volume control, flashing light and easy to adjust speed control. In particular, it is loud enough to be easily heard when playing a trumpet, which many aren't. It runs on AAA batteries (as I use it a lot, I use rechargeable batteries).
There are a lot of other good metronomes on the market, and some which are not so suitable. When buying one, check you like the sound, check it is loud enough (take your instrument and play along with it), and make sure it doesn't use very expensive batteries.
These are used to check your tuning, both on individual notes and the instrument as a whole.
You can buy these devices, but I prefer to use an app on my phone, for which I've found Cleartune to be my favourite. It is available for both Android and Apple. It is really easy to use, and has a few advantages for brass players including:
(a) the ability to choose "Equal Temperament" (piano tuning) or "Standard Just Intonation" (which produces the in-tune sound, free of beats, used by brass groups, strings, etc)
(b) the ability to change the Tuning Root; so for example, you can set the Root to "D" so that the notes on a D trumpet appear as you would read them (so written C for Trumpet in D music appears as a C on the app).
You will need to buy the following types of cleaning brushes:
Use this bush to clean the mouthpiece. The mouthpiece should be cleaned every week using the brush and some warm water. The mouthpiece brush should live in the instrument's case, so that the mouthpiece can be cleaned at rehearsals and concerts if necessary.
The snake brush is used to clean the inside of the instrument. It can be used on the lead pipe and tuning slide, etc, but NOT on the valves. More details are given in the section on washing the instrument.
The valve brush is used to clean the inside of the valve casing. Have a look at this excellent video to see how to use it.
If you need to protect your hearing, you will need some
Most earplugs cut the volume by different amounts at
different pitches, which makes a musical instrument sound rather
strange. Musicians' earplugs try to reduce the
volume by the same amount at all pitches, which makes the instrument
sound much better (although still not the same as without earplugs).
Here are a few options (including the ones I use):
Custom fitted earplugs are also available which give
larger reduction of sound, choice of filters and better fit to the ear.
Finally, just to take the edge of the sound, I sometimes
use the Alpine earplugs without the filter. This reduces the
volume a little, but still keeps the sound natural.
Be aware the using earplugs for all playing will change
the sound you produce on your instrument!
Brass instruments require very little maintenance, but failure to do the few things that are needed will result in stuck slides, valves, etc, all of which make it hard to play the instrument and cost money to fix!
Here's what's needed for piston valved instruments (e.g. trumpets, cornets, etc.):
Here's what's needed for trombones:
Click on the pictures or links below for a larger picture of the anatomy and part names.
There are numerous valve oils available. Some are very good, some are so thick they make the valves go slower! Usually, oil which comes with beginner trumpets is too thick, so buy some better oil!
Here are the oils which I've found to work well on just about all trumpets and cornets.
Valve oil is normally kept in the instrument case, as it will be often needed.
Most valve oils are poisonous. Read the instructions on the bottle.
If swallowed DO NOT induce vomiting. The fumes that are given off when vomiting occurs get into the lungs and it is these fumes which cause most damage.
Keep the top on oils, when not in use (to prevent the oil from oxidizing and leaking in the case).
Slide Grease is used on the 'Slow Slides'.
There are a range of greases suitable for trumpet and cornet slides on the market. My preferences are for Hetman #7 Slide-Gel or BiNaK Tuning Slide Lubricant. They both come in small tubs. If a slide is on the loose side, use Hetman #7P Slide-Gel Plus or even Hetman #9 Ultra Slide Grease.
Slide oil is used on the 'Fast Slides'.
This requires an oil that is thicker than valve oil, but not as thick as slide grease. My preference is for Hetman #5 slide oil. Order over the web.
Here's my preferred complete set of oils and greases needed to look after your trumpet or cornet:
Valve Oil for the valves (#1 if you have close tolerance
Hetman #5 Slide Oil for 1st and 3rd slides and water keys
Hetman #7 Slide-Gel for tuning slide and 2nd slide
Hetman #10 Grease for valve top and bottom caps
For reference, here's the Hetman pdf guide
to lubricating your trumpet.
Here's my preferred complete set of oils and greases needed to look after your french horn:
Rotor Oil for rotors, bearing, linkages and water keys
(#11 if you have close tolerance rotors)
Hetman #10 Grease for the outer thread on rotor caps
Hetman #7 Slide-Gel for slides
You could also use Hetman #13.5 Medium Bearing and Linkage oil instead of #12 on bearing and linkages (but not rotors).
For reference, here's the Hetman pdf lubrication guide.
My preferred lubricant for main trombone slide is from Slide-O-Mix. Either the two part standard lubricant, or the all-in-one Rapid Comfort. Directions for use are given on the bottles.
In addition a trombone water spray bottle will be needed. This should be kept topped up with water and the slide misted with water before playing each day, and as necessary during playing if the slide becomes stiff.
Both the slide lubricant and water sprayer should be
kept in the instrument case.
The tuning slide will also need to be lubricated with e.g. Hetman #7 Slide-Gel and if the trombone has a rotor it will need rotor, bearing and linkage oils as for the french horn e.g. Hetman #12 Rotor Oil.
The valves need regular oiling. Typically once a week, but sometimes more often if the valves become sluggish or stick down. Also immediately after the instrument is washed.
Since the valves may stick or become sluggish at any time, a bottle of valve oil (with top firmly on) and a lint free cloth (to wipe the valves clean) should be kept in the instrument case at all times.
Oil each valve individually, and replace it in the trumpet before oiling the next (to avoid mixing up the valves), as follows:
Always remove the valves one at a time. Always put the valve back before removing another valve.
Wash your hands after oiling the valves.
Note: removing the valve two-thirds of the way helps prevent reassembly problems and mixing up the valves. Once the basics are mastered, valves can be completely removed for wiping clean and re-oiling.
Yamaha (and some other) trumpets: the valves are numbered
(1, 2 or 3) on the spring casing (just above where you oil the valves).
The number should face the mouthpiece end of the trumpet.
If sticking persists, remove valve and wipe with lint-free cloth, taking care to put it back in the right way round.
If sticking still persists, then consult your teacher. If necessary a professional repairer can free up the valves, usually for a small fee.
If the instrument won't play properly after you have oiled the valves, then either:
(a) one of the valves is not aligned properly: you
will need to rotate that valve until it clicks in the slot; or
Slides should be greased or oiled every time the instrument is washed and every month. If the slides are not lubricated the slides will become stuck and the instrument will need to be taken to a professional repairer.
Valved instruments have two types of slides:
Fast Slides: These are used to fine tune individual notes and are designed to be moved rapidly in time for your playing. These slides are fitted with a finger ring or lever and may include the 3rd and 1st valve slides.
Slow slides are greased with a thick slide grease, as follows:
Slow slides are greased with a slide oil. The procedure is the same as for greasing the slides, but instead apply a few drops of slide oil and spread with a clean finger.
Wash your hands after greasing and oiling the slides.
There are many varied opinions about washing the inside of a brass instrument. Here's what I do and recommend.
Try not to get the felts wet (the felts are usually located above and below the top valve caps).
The mouthpiece may get stuck in the instrument if, for example, it is tapped in, or the instrument is dropped. If the mouthpiece is stuck, it can be removed with a mouthpiece puller. Ask your teacher if he/she has one (I carry one of these in my trumpet case - you can contact me here). Some music shops and most brass repairers will also have one.
Do not try and remove the stuck mouthpiece yourself. This will damage the metal and probably cause one or more of the joints to come apart!
The good news is that most dents can be removed and slides freed. Take your instrument to a professional repairer, such as one of those listed below. This doesn't usually cost much, and the result is usually almost as good as new (perfect repair requires refinishing the instrument, which is not usually cost effective).
Do not try and remove a dent or stuck slide yourself! This will almost certainly result in more damage to the instrument, making the repair that much harder and more expensive.
Roy Cox Brass Repairs
106a Crawford Street, London W1H 2HZ
0207 486 8206
Wales (particularly for difficult trombone slides)
For more information see the Brass
Most pupils continue playing with braces, some even taking exams.
The braces do have an impact on the playing, making it
uncomfortable and often loosing a note or two in range. There are
ways to help alleviate the difficulties. Discuss this with your
Dots Music publishes music "for those players just starting
to get good who have been clamped by the orthodontist." More
interesting music, but without the high notes.
Bb Piccolo Trumpet
Petite Trompette en Sib
Ottavino Tromba in Sib
Kleine Trompete in B
Trompette en Fa
Tromba in Fa
Trompete in F
Trompette en Mib
Tromba in Mib
Trompete in Es
Trompette in Re
Tromba in Re
Trompete in D
Trompette in Ut
Tromba in Do
Trompete in C
Trompette in Sib
Tromba in Sib
Trompete in B
Trompette en La
Tromba in La
Trompete in A
Cornet Method, by J. B. Arban (usually
called "The Arban" or the trumpet players bible), can be a little
daunting at first, particuarly the 14 studies near the back.
to get The Arban to open flat on the music stand, take your copy to a
printer and ask them to spiral
bind it. Even better, have it spiral bound in 2
or 3 different volumes (thanks to one of my pupils for this tip).
To help with the 14 studies,a separate books and CDs are
available (e.g. from
Just Music) with piano accompaniments for each study, edited
versions of the studies (to remove the errors), recordings of the piano
accompaniment at 3 different speeds, and a solo preformance of each of
Available from Triplo
Press, the Arban Companion is a set of duet parts for the 14
Arban studies (catalogue number TRP-067). Have fun playing
Arban studies with your
The Arban is also available in bass clef for trombone and euphonium:
Arban Complete Method for Trombone & Euphonium, edited by Joseph Alessi and Brian Bowman.
Arban's famous Method for Trombone (available with and without accompanying CD for the solos) - also for use with euphonium.
For a little lights relief from the grades try:
Trumpet Solos - suitable for grade 5+
Philip Bishop teaches trumpet, cornet, flugelhorn, tenor horn, french horn, baritone, euphonium and trombone. Lessons are given privately, either in a music studio at my house in Bookham or in the schools in which I teach. For more information see the Philip Bishop Brass Lessons page.
Listening and copying the great players are the first steps stage to developing a really good sound of your own. Listen for free on the web. Watch them on YouTube. Listen to recordings by other players and form your own list of favourite players... and support the musicians by buying their recordings.
Here are a few of my favourites.
Hard to classify!
Andrew Joy (also see the JoyKey water key)
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